The Sash

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The Sash

Postby South » 14 Oct 2008 12:40

Good morning all,

I'm doing some research on the origins and current use of the diagonal sash.

I've seen it worn inside the coat, uniform, blazer, etc and also outside the various garments.

Is there any worthwhile web links to further my research.

As an aside, one of the best museums that displayed 19th and 20th century uniforms - and the civilian counterparts such as "tuxedo"/ "evening dress" was the Hong Kong Police Museum, about halfway up to Victoria Peak.

If any forum participant is familiar with this textile emblem, your comments would be most appreciated.


Warm regards,

Bob

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Re: The Sash

Postby Tyskaorden2 » 17 Oct 2008 12:35

Well the Sash can have many functions. It is in some Republics usual that the President in formal occasions bear a Sash in the Colours of the Country which may be decorated with the Coat of Arms of the Country. Mayors in Counties like France and Italy likewise bear a Sash in the Colours of their Countries. It is also usual that the Higher Grades of a Order is marked by a Sash.

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HM King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden with the Sash of the Order of the Seraphim (the highest Order of Sweden).

A Sash can also be used to indicate functionaries of various kind. An example is the Students who act as functionaries at the Nobel Prize Ceremony in Stockholm, they use a Sash in the Swedish Yellow and Blue Colours.

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Re: The Sash

Postby South » 21 Oct 2008 18:51

Good afternoon Tyskaorden 2,

Thank you, Tyskaorden.

This clarified much.

Warm regards,

Bob

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Re: The Sash

Postby Tyskaorden2 » 21 Oct 2008 19:22

Glad to be of assistance :)

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Re: The Sash

Postby Chas Charles-Dunne » 20 Dec 2008 23:37

Hello All,

Each Order stipulates how its decorations are to be worn, either over jacket, under jacket but over waistcoat and finally under waistcoat. The sashes of all British Orders are worn under the waistcoat. When sashes are worn under the jacket, they don't actually go over the shoulder. They are a construction that starts halfway between the armpit and the shoulder. This way the sash is more horizontal and doesn't cover as much of the shirt. As the jacket is not taken off in public, the fact that the sash is not complete is never known. Its a fashion thing!

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Chas

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Re: The Sash

Postby Marcus Wendel » 21 Dec 2008 14:18

Welcome to the forum Chas.

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Re: The Sash

Postby South » 26 Dec 2008 21:06

Thank you for the background information, Chas.

Let me close with warm holiday greetings.

Bob
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Transmitting from near the "other" Norfolk.

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Re: The Sash

Postby Chas Charles-Dunne » 27 Dec 2008 18:03

Hi Bob,

The compliments of the season to You and Yours and all other forum members.

I am attaching two photos. The first shows Her Majesty and Prince Philip with President Bush and the First Lady at a white tie reception in Washington DC. Note the angle of the two sashes - under jacket and without jacket.
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This second photo is of three prominent persons seen out and about 'in the London scene' in about 1890. The one on the left is wearing the sash of the Order of St Patrick - look how low it sits; it must be completely under his armpit. Note also that the knot and bow in the left and middle are sitting on the hip (British style). The man on the right is wearing (I believe) the sash of an Austrian Order. The sash looks to be right up on the shoulder, but the knot is hanging down on his thigh (Continental style).
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The sash was originally worn by military men in uniform and having the knot up high (British style) does not impede the drawing of your sword.

Although each Order will have rules on how its own insignia are to be worn, it is the kind of information that they don't promulgate. It is sort of 'those that need to know, get told - those that don't, don't'.

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Chas

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Re: The Sash

Postby Chas Charles-Dunne » 27 Dec 2008 19:30

Hello Again,

I just had a quick check and I was right, it is an Austrian Order - Militär Maria-Theresien-Orden


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Probably the most prestigious and eagerly sought military decoration that the Austro-Hungarian monarchy could bestow was the military order of Maria Theresia. The order was founded on the 22nd June 1757 by the Empress Maria Theresa to reward especially meritorious and valorous acts by commissioned officers.
The order could be awarded in three grades: The grand cross, the commanders' cross and lastly the knights' cross. The grand cross holder was distinguished by a breast order and a shoulder sash on more formal occasions. The commanders' cross was a neck decoration and the "Ritterkreuz" could be worn on the left breast suspended by the traditional Austrian triangular ribbon or as was quite usual during the First World War with the ribbon being attached internally to the second button of the tunic and worn suspended in that fashion.
A grand total of 131 awards of the Military Maria Theresa Order were bestowed on officers for their service in the First World War. The awards were officially presented at a ceremony known as a "Promotion". These ceremonies had been numbered consecutively since the1st Promotion on the 7th March 1758. During the war Promotions Number 171 on the 27th August 1914 to Promotion Number 185 on the 2nd October 1918 took place. A further ten Promotions were enacted after the war following the recommendations of the Chapter of the Order in which the deeds of deserving officers had been examined. The last of these was on the 3rd October 1931.

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Chas

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Re: The Sash

Postby South » 16 Jan 2009 10:29

Good morning Chas,

Is there an available to public website of a British Order (preferably military) that discusses their sash, amongst other decoration matters?

When you checked on Austria's (Order of) Militar Maria-Theresien-Orden, did you use a pulp printed book or web resources?

Warm regards,

Bob


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