New Northern Ireland Flag

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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby Sammy » 02 Sep 2012 22:52

I agree completely but I think anything that resembles the British flag would be a step to far for nationalists, but I think compramise might be possible with the star. :) (of course you will get the extreme people from both communities who will reject everything outright) you possibly are right about the harps to be honest in practice I don't think very many people notice the difference. I have noticed the Brian Boru harp on a version of the Royal Standard before so heraldically speaking being one in the same makes sense.

I have never come across a red hand on a plain field (yellow or white) before Leonardo. It works i guess as it is really simple I think it works better with yellow :) . I think it looks a lot like the proposal of the rotterdam hearald proposal (below) except it also included flax flowers. I like the idea but knowing people in NI they are anything but simple :lol: so I am unsure what they would make of it. But I have to say I don't think the red hand has appeared on its own before? Even in the Ulster sheild it was companied by the red cross on gold on the Burkes (Norman Earls)
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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby PaulJames » 03 Sep 2012 08:19

Taking the hexagon idea, how's this?:

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I was wondering what background colour to use, but blue seems pretty neutral to me : it's used in both the British union flag and the Irish coat of arms, but is not particularly associated with either NI community (is it?).

I'll re-do the arms with a hexagon when I get home from work.
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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby Sammy » 03 Sep 2012 13:19

I like it no blue isn't really associated with any community although I think both of them would associate with and use the colour.

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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby PaulJames » 03 Sep 2012 20:45

Here's the UK arms and standard with a hexagon instead of star in the Northern Ireland arms:

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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby Sammy » 05 Sep 2012 23:29

The hexagon replacing the star works allot better than I thought, I thought it wouldn't have the same effect as the star in that design. But I am pleased to say I was wrong. I am not sure if the 'Royal arms' of N.Ireland should be used in the Civil flag unless the blue version is intended as the civil flag and the cross the 'government/royal' flag?

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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby PaulJames » 06 Sep 2012 17:15

When I did the hexagon, I forgot to redo the Northern Ireland arms! :-

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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby Sammy » 24 Oct 2012 00:02

This idea came to me as I was making a football supporters flag for me and my friends to use at the next Northern Ireland International game. Central to this is the IFA celtic cross design of a badge.
I thought it might be a good idea to base a flag on the celtic cross. The coat of arms I have here is a break from traditional heraldry, and it incorporates a lot of Northern Ireland Symbols. But the red hand celtic cross and laurel wreath are prominent. I liked Paul James idea of a flax, harp crest do I included that and the Cross of St Patrick. The text around the celtic Cross is both Irish and Ulster-Scots. The motto is Latin and translates as Peace and Progress.
The flag is a tricolour of blue, green, blue with white linage and these are traditional Irish colours and used in this way I think both communities can identify with them. A simplified version of the 'coat of arms' is also in the flag

I have also made a lot of badges and flags for other government organisations based on this see my blog
http://samsflags.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10 ... eland.html
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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby PeteCollier » 22 Jan 2013 01:37

These are some of the ideas I came up with when thinking about this hot-potato issue. I was aiming for something simple but striking, symbolic, and idealogically neutral.
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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby PeteCollier » 22 Jan 2013 01:39

A few more variations on my ideas.
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Re: New Northern Ireland Flag

Postby PeteCollier » 22 Jan 2013 01:41

...and my final 3.
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